Tagged: emacs

Reconsidering Vim

NOTE: This post is not about the editor war — so please don’t try to start one either.

First, some background. Lets just say that I lost my editor virginity to Vim. It was a brief, but violent introduction — the modal editing was too unfamiliar, the learning curve too steep. After dabbling with a few other conventional editors (such as KWrite), I settled upon Emacs (XEmacs actually, but thats another story).

For the next three years, I tweaked my .emacs file, fiddled around with settings and plugins and modes, played games and browsed the web, checked my email and newsgroups, all within the comfortable confines of Emacs. But I was getting wary of the long startup times and (at that time) the inability to use the same interface and features in console mode (such as over SSH) as in GUI mode. It was time to move on.

I rediscovered Vim around 6 years ago. I started with a clean slate. As the saying goes, Emacs is an operating system that also happens to have an editor in it. The relatively more focused feature set of Vim was refreshing in comparison. I loved that I could work in GUI mode, save my session, go back home and resume my session in a terminal over SSH, which the exact same interface and keybindings. I quickly became very productive with Vim, and over the years have honed my plugins, settings and color themes to just how I like them.

But recently, I’ve been thinking about this again, and I might just reconsider Vim. I highly recommend reading these two blog posts to better understand where I’m coming from:

Don’t get me wrong — I think Vim still has a lot to offer. But, I can not deny that Vim is not what I would call a “forward looking editor.” Here’s why:

  • Development community: the Emacs development community is a lot more open and vibrant right now than the Vim community. Part of this has to do with the BDFL model in Vim. Bram Moolenar has done a tremendous job in bringing Vim to the stage where it is. People can and have forked Vim in the past. But for one reason or another, Vim has stayed Vim, and its development trajectory has been slow and incremental.
  • Source code: Vim’s source code is not clean. At all. I just briefly skimmed over the source tree for Emacs 23, and it looks a lot more understandable and well structured.
  • Architecture: Vim 7 finally got spell check. But the spell check does not use any of the existing tools or formats. Vim has its own scripting language, with its own interpreter, grammer and data structures. Why not just use one of the many wonderful programming languages out there? Yes, there are interfaces to allow writing Vim code in Python, Ruby, Perl etc. But why reinvent the wheel all over again?

When Bram Moolenaar — the lead developer of Vim –  joined Google, I had hoped that Vim would generate a lot more interest and enthusiasm. But so far, it hasn’t changed much.

And so, in the next few weeks, I’m going to take another look at Vim as well as Emacs. I’ll try to do an objective evaluation of where the editors stand today, where I perceive they are headed. I hope to make my decision on whether to move away from Vim or not by the end of this year.

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The Ancient Wars


Unarguably, the holy war of the geeks centers around the [[http://vim.sf.net/|Vi]] vs [[http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/emacs.html|Emacs]] debate—which is the editor to rule them all?

No, this post is not about ending that war, or even trying to. This is just a response to my amazement at how deep rooted this war continues to be in our community.

So this wednesday as I was waiting in the hallway to meet with Amin, I heard him say something about Vi and Emacs to one of his students and how none of these editors even close in terms of productivity when compared to the mature IDEs (such as Visual Studio or Eclipse) for serious programming. I used to be a devout Emacs user for a long time (around 4 years) before I moved to Vim, and I’ve never been happier.

Naturally when I went in, I asked him about his take on Vi vs. Emacs. Turns out that Amin is a devout Emacs user, right from his undergrad days. Apparently in his time Vim was not popular, and Vi does kind of suck in a way compared to Vim. Being the good Vim lover that I am, I engaged him with all the neat things that my Vim setup could do, and he was genuinely surprised, and happily, interested too! So its quite likely that I might have to give him a demo of what Vim can do these days very soon :)

Here are some nice reads:

* [[http://thomer.com/vi/vi.html|Vi lovers page]]
* [[http://www.io.com/~dierdorf/emacsvi.html|Emacs and Vi]] (note the and, instead of the usual vs)
* [[http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=01/12/04/0326236|Newsforge article on the holy geek war]]
* [[http://www.tarunz.org/~vassilii/srom/|Suck-o-meter]]